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Лингвистико-Волновой геном. Следующий шаг. ППГ (№4) 06 Дек 2011 05:37 #901

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Чукча не из Сибири.. написал(а):
Сочетание этих мембранных пор на открытие и пропуск определенных молекул и запускает внутренние процессы в клетке ..
т.е. по твоему, Миша, инсулина всегда дх, только его мембранные поры не пропускают?
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Тут сочетание нескольких проблем ... и его не хватка ... и то, что выделенный организмом инсулин (можно говорить как бы не спелый) и он не выполняет свои функции по открытию мембранных пор, так и со стороны клетки блокировка мембранных пор для пропуска глюкозы ...
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Главный санитарный врач страны заверил жителей, что арбузы в этом году настолько безопасны, что даже корки можно спокойно закапывать, а не сжигать, как раньше.

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Чукча не из Сибири.. написал(а):
и то, что выделенный организмом инсулин (можно говорить как бы не спелый)
Не спелый, только инсулин в твоей голове, Миша

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Не спелый, только инсулин в твоей голове, Миша

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Ну, а какой инсулин в голове ППГ, я вообще молчу...

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...можно считать, что локальная структурная нестабильность ДНК вследствии взаимной корреляции различных последовательных локальных структурных переходов в кольцевых замкнутых ДНК под действием отрицательной сверхспирализации порождает лавину взаимно коррелированных ответов на других уровнях полинуклеотида и соответствующих им электретных и иных полевых состояний с последующим возможным переносом их на матричные системы...
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Лингвистико-Волновой геном. Следующий шаг. ППГ (№4) 06 Дек 2011 08:54 #907

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Вообщем ясно что ботаник с начальным генетическим подходом и п.Паулита несколько ошиблись критикуя пп. 903 о не спелом инсулине внимательно читайте раздел синтез инсулина в клетке *** ru.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%98%D0%BD%D1%...83%D0%BB%D0%B8%D0%BD ***
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Ну и в каком месте у чукчи какие розовые барашки включают какие мембраны для синтезирования пептида-предшественника:

Синтез инсулина в клетке

Синтез и выделение инсулина представляют собой сложный процесс, включающий несколько этапов. Первоначально образуется неактивный предшественник гормона, который после ряда химических превращений в процессе созревания превращается в активную форму. Инсулин вырабатывается в течение всего дня,а не только в ночные часы.

Ген, кодирующий первичную структуру предшественника инсулина, локализуется в коротком плече 11 хромосомы.

На рибосомах шероховатой эндоплазматической сети синтезируется пептид-предшественник — т. н. препроинсулин. Он представляет собой полипептидную цепь, построенную из 110 аминокислотных остатков и включает в себя расположенные последовательно: L-пептид, B-пептид, C-пептид и A-пептид.

Почти сразу после синтеза в ЭПР от этой молекулы отщепляется сигнальный (L) пептид — последовательность из 24 аминокислот, которые необходимы для прохождения синтезируемой молекулы через гидрофобную липидную мембрану ЭПР. Образуется проинсулин, который транспортируется в комплекс Гольджи, далее в цистернах которого происходит так называемое созревание инсулина.

Созревание является наиболее длительным этапом образования инсулина. В процессе созревания из молекулы проинсулина с помощью специфических эндопептидаз вырезается C-пептид — фрагмент из 31 аминокислоты, соединяющий B-цепь и A-цепь. То есть молекула проинсулина разделяется на инсулин и биологически инертный пептидный остаток.
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Лингвистико-Волновой геном. Следующий шаг. ППГ (№4) 06 Дек 2011 10:05 #911

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Вообще то Чукчи. .. говорили в п.903...об общих проблемах не прохождения глюкозы в клетках....и физиологических возможностях для запуска этого процесса....а запускали они этот вариант (согласно приведенных примерах) через нейроны головного мозга...т.е через центральный распределительный узел....

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Поршень написал(а):
через нейроны головного мозга
Поршень написал(а):
об общих проблемах не прохождения
В этом случае запускать надо через нейроны ж***

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Эти нервные системы связаны.....

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Однако никак не связаны с производством инсулина (см. #911).
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Тут Вы правы...есть команда на запуск системы....и есть механизмы для ее реализации... Чукчи проверили команду - запуск....

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ППГ написал(а):
у меня там много мыслей.
Голографическая память, задающая ментальные, смысловые и образные пространства, калибрующие потенциальные действия, проявляется в рамках одной из форм квантовой нелокальности, а именно пермиссивной. В этом случае нелокальность мгновенно реализуется как по пространству биосистемы, так и по ее собственному, сжимаемому до нуля, времени...
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Поршень написал(а):
есть команда на запуск системы.
команда на запуск инсулина всего одна - избыток глюкозы

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Лингвистико-Волновой геном. Следующий шаг. ППГ (№4) 06 Дек 2011 11:35 #918

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Вообще то это одна из команд...но Чукчи.. нашли новую....Да а вообще то тут с этими 3-х мерным ЭМ образами (не путать с образами для икон) излучения мШЭИ здорово тянет на сенсацию... и причем (без участия ППГ стойко отрицающий это)...а только с форумчанами заметивший этот вариант. ..

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но Чукчи.. нашли новую
Ученые чукчи сделали открытие, они опровергли утверждение, что земля круглая.
Нет - заявляют они всему миру - земля чёрная и скрипит на зубах.
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Голографическая память, задающая ментальные, смысловые и образные пространства, калибрующие потенциальные действия, проявляется в рамках одной из форм квантовой нелокальности, а именно пермиссивной. В этом случае нелокальность мгновенно реализуется как по пространству биосистемы, так и по ее собственному, сжимаемому до нуля, времени...
не, не цепляет... старо...

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Голограмму разумно рассматривать как примитивную форму биознака, пассивно и точно отображающего биоструктуру. Знаковая свертка биоинформации может быть существенно плотнее и сама голограмма может служить субстратом записи информационно более емких символов изоморфно-гомоморфных взаимоотображений...
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Голограмму разумно рассматривать как примитивную форму биознака, пассивно и точно отображающего биоструктуру. Знаковая свертка биоинформации может быть существенно плотнее и сама голограмма может служить субстратом записи информационно более емких символов изоморфно-гомоморфных взаимоотображений...
Если уж про отображения в фантомах и использование их в системе самоуправлени в организме, то смотреть здесь, а не бред барано-паулиты:

DNA Decipher Journalj November 2011j Vol 1.j Issue 3j pp. 298-307 298
Pitkanen M., Gariaev P. Quantum Model for Remote Replication
Article
Quantum Model for Remote Replication
Matti Pitkanen 1 and Peter Gariaev. 2
Abstract
A model for remote replication of DNA is proposed. The motivating experimental discoveries are
phantom DNA, the evidence for remote gene activation by scattered laser light from similar genome,
and the recent ndings of Montagnier's and Gariaev's groups suggesting remote DNA replication.
Phantom DNA is identied as dark nucleon sequences predicted by quantum TGD with dark
nucleons dening naturally the analogs of DNA, RNA, tRNA, and amino-acids and realization of
vertebrate genetic code. The notion of magnetic body dening a hierarchy of
ux quanta realize as

ux tubes connecting DNA nucleotides contained inside
ux tubes connecting DNA codons and a
condensed at
ux sheets connecting DNA strands is an essential element of the model. Dark photons
with large value of Planck constant coming as integer multiple of ordinary Planck constant propagate
along
ux quanta connecting biomolecules: this realizes the idea about wave DNA. Biomolecules act
as quantum antennas and those with common antenna frequencies interact resonantly.
Biomolecules interacting strongly - in particular DNA nucleotides- would be characterized by same
frequency. An additional coding is needed to distinguish between nucleotides: in the model for DNA
as topological quantum computer quarks (u,d) and their antiquarks would code for the nucleotides
A,T,C, and G would take care of this. The proposed role of quarks in biophysics of course makes sense
only if one accepts the new physics predicted by quantum TGD. DNA codons (nucleotide triplets)
would be coded by dierent frequencies which correspond to dierent values of Planck constant for
photons with same photon energy propagating along corresponding
ux tubes. This allows to interpret
the previously proposed TGD based realization of so called divisor code proposed by Khrennikov and
Nilsson in terms of quantum antenna mechanism.
In this framework the remote replication of DNA can be understood. DNA nucleotides interact
resonantly with DNA strand and attach to the ends of the
ux tubes emerging from DNA strand and
organized on 2-D
ux sheets. In Montagnier's experiment the interaction between test tubes A and B
would be mediated by dark photons between DNA and dark nucleon sequences and amplify the dark
photon beam, which in turn would induce remote replication. In the experiment of Gariaev scattered
laser light would help to achieve the same purpose. Dark nucleon sequences would be generated in
Montagnier's experiment by the homeopathic treatment of the test tube B.
Dark nucleon sequences could characterize the magnetic body of any polar molecule in water
and give it a name written in terms of genetic codons so that genetic code would be much more
general than usually thought. The dark nucleon sequence would be most naturally assigned with the
hydrogen bonds between the molecule and the surrounding ordered water being perhaps generated
when this layer of ordered water melts as the molecule becomes biologically active. Water memory
and the basic mechanism of homeopathy would be due to the dropping of the magnetic bodies of
polar molecules as the water is treated homeopathically and the dark nucleon sequences could dene
an independent life form evolving during the sequence of repeated dilutions and mechanical agitations
taking the role environmental catastrophes as driving force of evolution. The association of DNA,
RNA and amino-acid sequences associated with the corresponding dark nucleon sequences would be
automatic since also also they are polar molecules surrounded by ordered water layers.
The transcription of the dark nucleon sequences associated the with the polar invader molecule to
ordinary DNA sequences in turn coding of proteins attaching to the invader molecules by the quantum
antenna mechanism could dene the basic mechanism for functioning and evolution of the immune
system.
1Matti Pitkanen http://tgd.wippiespace-com/public_html. Address: Koydenpunojankatu 2 D 11 10940, Hanko, Finland.
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2 Peter Gariaev. Address: Peter Gariaev. Address: Russia, Moscow 123056, Maliy Tishinskiy per. 11/12 - 25, to Peter Gariaev.
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ISSN: 2159-046X DNA Decipher Journal www.dnadecipher.com
Published by QuantumDream, Inc.
DNA Decipher Journalj November 2011j Vol 1.j Issue 3j pp. 298-307 299
Pitkanen M., Gariaev P. Quantum Model for Remote Replication
1 Introduction
The idea about remote replication, transcription and translation of genes in terms of electromagnetic eld
patterns is very attractive and would be in accordance with the wave DNA vision. This requires a coding
of DNA nucleotides. I have proposed several codings of this kind.
1. In DNA as topological quantum computer model quark and anti-quark at the ends of a
ux tube
connecting DNA nucleotide to a lipid of the nuclear or cell membrane takes care of the coding. Also
sequences of dark nucleons giving rise to dark nuclei realize the analogs of DNA, RNA, tRNA, and
amino-acids as well as vertebrate genetic code. Dark nucleons sequences could correspond to
the phantom DNA discovered by Gariaev's group.
2. Quantum antenna hypothesis represents one of the oldest ideas of TGD inspired quantum biology:
molecules would act like quantum antennas. Frequency coding would be very natural for groups
of molecules participating in the same reaction: the
ux tubes connecting the molecules would
carry the radiation inducing resonant antenna interaction and phase transitions reducing Planck
constant would bring the reacting molecules near to each other. Magnetic
ux tubes connecting
the molecules would be essential element of the mechanism. Remote replication would represent an
example about a situation in which ~ changing phase transition does not take place. If one wants
coding of individual molecules -such as DNA nucleotides- by frequency in turned coded by the value
of ~ for given photon energy (E = hf), one is forced to make ad hoc assumptions and it is dicult
to nd any plausible scenario. Quantum antenna mechanism could make possible remote replication
for which the ndings of Montagnier's group as well as remote transcription for which the work of
Gariaev's group gives some evidence.
3. One can consider also a coding by eld patterns. In fact, the quark and antiquark at the ends
of the
ux tube generate a color magnetic eld coding for the quark pair since the classical color
eld depends on the color of the quark and its antiquark. Gariaev's group has proposed that the
change of polarization direction could provide a possible mechanism of coding of DNA sequences to
radiation patterns [?]. The proposal is discussed from TGD point of view in [?]. The mechanism
changing the polarization direction should reduce to dierent propagation velocities for the two
circular polarizations. The other polarization should act more strongly with the DNA related
structures and this should cause the slowing down of propagation since it would correspond to
sequence of absorptions and emissions. The constraint that this occurs coherently for DNAs and
codes the DNA sequence is very powerful condition. It is however dicult to imagine how this
mechanism alone could give rise to remote replication of DNA or similar processes: the coding
from radiation pattern to DNA sequences is the bottle neck. Therefore this mechanism will not be
discussed in the following.
In the sequel a model for the coding of DNA in terms of radiation patterns is discussed. There are three
experimental guidelines: the phantom DNA [?] identied as dark nucleon sequences in TGD framework
and the evidence for remote activation of DNA transcription - both discovered by Gariaev's group -
are assumed as the rst two key elements of the model. The remote replication of DNA suggested by
the experimental ndings of Montagnier's group serves as a further guideline in the development of the
model. Also the results of the latest experiment of Gariaev's group in many respects similar to that of
Montagnier's experiment but diering in certain crucial aspects from it are used as input.
Polymerase chain reaction (PCR) is the technique used in the experiments of Montagnier's group
and later in somewhat modied experiment by Gariaev's group involving irradiation of the second
test tube by laser light. DNA polymerase catalyzes the formation of DNA from existing DNA sequences
serving as a template. Since the catalytic interaction of DNA polymerase takes place with already existing
DNA sequence, the only possibility is that rs some conjugate DNA sequences are generated by remote
replication after which DNA polymerase uses these sequences as templates to amplify them to original
DNA sequences. Whether the product consists of original DNA or its conjugate can be tested.
The model inspires the proposal that the magnetic body of a polar molecule codes for it using dark
nucleon sequences assignable to the hydrogen bonds between the molecule and surrounding ordered water
layer. Quantum antenna mechanism would allow the immune system to modify itself by developing
ISSN: 2159-046X DNA Decipher Journal www.dnadecipher.com
Published by QuantumDream, Inc.
DNA Decipher Journalj November 2011j Vol 1.j Issue 3j pp. 298-307 300
Pitkanen M., Gariaev P. Quantum Model for Remote Replication
ordinary DNA coding for amino-acids attaching to and thus catching the polar molecule. The mechanism
could be behind water memory and homeopathic healing. Every polar molecule in living matter
would have dark nucleon sequence or several of them (as in the case of amino-acids) serving as its name.
This would also associate unique dark nucleon sequence also with the magnetic body of DNA so that
DNA-dark DNA association would be automatic. Same applies to mRNA and tRNA and amino-acids.
2 The ndings that one should understand
It is good to start by summarizing the experimental ndings that the model should explain.
1. One should be able to identify phantom DNA [?]. This identication explains the ndings about
phantom DNA if ordinary and dark DNA have common resonance frequencies and therefore behave
like resonantly interacting quantum antennae.
2. The earlier ndings of Gariaev's group suggesting remote gene expression [?], which becomes also
possible if the DNAs of the sender can activate the DNA of the receiver by radiation. Direct activation
could be based on electromagnetic signal between DNA of the sender and ordinary conjugate
DNA of the receiver. Scattering from ordinary and possibly also phantom DNA and would generate
this kind of signal. The challenge is to explain why the activation obeys genetic code in the sense
that a given DNA sequence activates only similar DNA sequence.
3. The claim of Montagnier's team is that the radiation generated by DNA aects water in such
a manner that it behaves as if it contained the actual DNA. A brief summary of experiment of
Montagnier and collaborators is in order.
(a) Two test tubes containing 100 bases long DNA fragments were studied. Both tubes were
subjected to 7 Hz electromagnetic radiation. Earth's magnetic eld was eliminated to prevent
its possible inteference (the cyclotron frequencies of Earth's magnetic eld are in EEG range
and one of the family secrets of biology and neuroscience since seventies is that cyclotron
frequencies in magnetic fields have biological ob'ects on vertebrate brain). The frequencies
around 7 Hz correspond to cyclotron frequencies of some biologically important ions in the
endogenous magnetic field of .2 Tesla explaining the findings. This field is 2/5 of the nominal
value of the Earth's magnetic field.
(b) What makes the situation so irritating for skeptics who have been laughing for decades for
homepathy and water memory is that the repeated dilution process used for the homeopathic
remedies was applied to DNA in the recent case. The solution containing no detectable amounts
DNA (dilution factor was 1012) was placed in second test tube whereas the rst test tube
contained 100 bases long DNA in the original concentration.
(c) After 16 to 18 hours both tubes were subjected to polymerase chain reaction (PCR), which
builds DNA from its basic building bricks using DNA polymerase enzyme. What is so irritating
from the point of view of skeptic was that DNA was generated also in the test tube containing
the highly diluted water. Water in presence of second test tube seems to be able to cheat the
polymerase by mimicking the presence of the actual DNA serving in the usual situation as a
template for builing copies of DNA. One could also speak about the analog quantum teleportation.
Note that the presence of both test tubes - and therefore some kind of communication
between the samples - is absolutely esential for the process to take place: repeated dilution is
not enough.
4. Peter Gariaev's team has carried out an analogous experiment recently in which one has two test
tubes containing water. Tube A contained DNA fragments and tube B contained only water and
DNA nucleotides plus DNA polymerase - just as as in Montagnier's experiment. The analog of
the homeopathic procedure was not however applied to tube B. The experiments use a drop of
DNA in water in gamma concentration in tube A. This DNA (with length of 600 base pairs) was
scanned by laser radiation from helium-neon laser. The scattered radiation having a wide spectrum
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of frequencies down to kHz frequencies was applied on tube B at distance of 3 m in refrigerator
(+4 Celsius) containing distilled water solution of DNA nucleotides and DNA polymerase inducing
polymer chain reaction PCR amplifying DNA template if present. The generation of DNA sequences
in tube B with the same mass distribution as in tube A by polymer chain reaction (PCR) is observed
suggesting that the necessary DNA template is generated as a direct copy or conjugate of the original
in test tube A by some unknown mechanism. Nucleotide sequences have not been analyzed to see
whether they are identical or conjugates of those in tube A.
3 The model of remote replication consistent with DNA as topo-
logical quantum computer model
The basic assumptions are that the scattered radiation, the
ux tubes of the magnetic body of DNA along
which the radiation propagates, and quarks and antiquarks at the ends of the
ux tubes from system
able to serve as a template for the formation of conjugate of ordinary DNA. To understand how remote
remote replication could take place, some further assumptions are necessary.
1. The
ux tubes emanating from DNA are parallel and condensed at 2-D
ux sheet having DNA at
is rst boundary so that DNA nucleotides can attach to the
ux tubes at the second boundary.
The attached nucleotides would be along the same line and would form DNA sequence in remote
replication process.
2. Quantum antenna interaction takes place between group of molecules participating a given reaction
so that they have common antenna frequency as resonance frequency. The frequencies characterize
the radiation propagating along magnetic
ux tubes connecting the molecules, and could come as
sub-harmonics of the frequency of (in the case considered) visible light from the formula
E = hnf; hn = nh ; n = 1; 2; 3; ::: :
Here E is the xed energy of photon. hn denotes value of Planck constant which in TGD Universe
can have innite number of values coming as multiplies of the ordinary Planck constant h.
For a given photon energy E one obtains harmonics of the basic wavelength
=
c
f(n)
= n0 :
Wave length would correspond to the length of the
ux tube proportional to n. DNAs with
ux
tubes characterized by different values of n would correspond to dierent levels in the evolutionary
hierarchy. In TGD inspired theory of consciousness the value of hn serves as the measure for the
time scale of planned action and memory span and neurons of frontal lobe would represent the
highest level in the hierarchy,
3. If resonance frequency is same for all nucleotides, frequency cannot distinguish between DNA nucleotides.
In the model of DNA as topological quantum computer the quark (u or d) and antiquark
(u or d ) at the ends of the
ux tube code for A; T;C;G. This model is the simplest one and does
not require any additional assumptions about frequency coding. It also allows resonant interaction
at several frequencies: the scattering of visible light from DNA indeed produces a wide spectrum of
frequencies interpreted in terms of dark variants of visible photons.
One can criticize the assumption that particular quark or antiquark is associated with the
ux tube
ending at particular nucleotide. At this moment this assumption does not have a convincing dynamical
explanation. Presumably this explanation would rely on the minimization of the interaction
energy.
4. What is needed is a model explaining why the resonant antenna frequency does not depend on
nucleotide: obviously the frequency should relate to something shared by all nucleotides. An energy
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level associated with sugar-phosphate backbone of DNA is what comes rst in mind. A more
exotic option is transition involved with quark-antiquark pair. Since electromagnetic field for nonvacuum
extremals is accompanied by classical color eld, the exchange of gluons between quark and
antiquark suggests itself as the quantum antenna interaction distinguishing between nucleotides.
Quantum antenna mechanism is extremely general and
exible and might be a fundamental mechanism
of bio-catalysis allowing also communication between visible and dark matter sectors. Antenna
mechanism is of course central also in ordinary communications. If the biologically most relevant interactions
of biomolecules via quantum antenna mechanism then also water memory and the claimed effects
of homeopathically treated water might be understood [?]. The testing of the dark photon aspect of the
hypothesis would require the detection of the dark photons somehow: the decay to a bunch of n ordinary
photons with same wavelength is the obvious manner to achieve this.
3.1 Identication of phantom DNA
The observed residual coherent scattering from a chamber from which ordinary DNA is removed inspired
the notion of phantom DNA [?]. The questions are what phantom DNA is and is it relevant to remote
replication of the ordinary DNA.
Phantom DNA observed in the scattering experiments could correspond to dark nucleon sequences realizing
vertebrate genetic code with dark nucleons consisting of three quarks representing both DNA,RNA,
tRNA, and aminoacids as particular nucleon states. The resonant interaction between ordinary and
dark DNA would explain why light at same frequencies scatters also from dark DNA in phantom DNA experiments.
In Montagnier's experiments it could give rise to a positive feedback amplifying the radiation
from second sample containing DNA. Water would be living in the sense that it contains dark DNA
and dark DNA might allow remote transcription to ordinary DNA sequences in presence of ordinary DNA
codons (triplets) and vice versa.
Skeptic can of course ask whether one could explain the experimental findings without assuming
phantom DNA.
1. In Gariaev's experiments , which inspired the notion of phantom DNA part of DNA could drop
to parallel space-time sheets and have the same effect on the scattered radiation as the ordinary
DNA. This explanation would however require the many-sheeted space-time of TGD - probably
equally abominable to skeptic as phantom DNA.
2. In Montagnier's experiment and also in the recent experiment of Gariaev the ordinary DNA contained
by water droplet could diuse to dark space-time sheets and enter from
ux tube A to
ux
tube B along the same magnetic
ux tubes as radiation propagates. DNA polymerase would allow
to amplify this leaking DNA and produce conjugate DNA. The irradiation of the original DNA
would generate the
ux sheets serving as a route for the transfer. The killer test is to check whether
it is indeed conjugate of the original DNA which is produced. Again many-sheeted space-time is
required.
3. For the option based on DNA as topological quantum computer hypothesis discussed above the
remote replication would take place via the direct formation of conjugate DNA template and DNA
polymerase produces from this copies of the original DNA whereas for trivial option conjugate
DNA is produced. Phantom DNA would not be absolutely necessary. It is however questionable
whether the intensity of the radiation is high enough and the resonant interaction with phantom
DNA which could give rise to a positive feedback might be needed to amplify the radiation.
3.2 Dark DNA and frequency coding by quantum antenna mechanism
The remote transcription of dark DNA (phantom DNA) to ordinary DNA and vice versa would have quite
far reaching implications for evolution since dark DNA/RNA/tRNA/amino-acids could dene a virtual
world serving as RD lab where new DNAs could be developed and if needed translated to ordinary
DNA. The dark DNA could be also transferred through cell membranes without diculty, in particular
to germ cells. Also the genetic transfer between dierent organisms would become possible. Second
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possibility is that the magnetic
ux tubes mediating the dark photons traverse the cell membranes so
that even the transfer of dark nucleons through the cell membrane is un-necessary. The implications for
genetic engineering would be obvious.
Could one generalize the quantum antenna mechanism to the interaction between dark nucleons representing
DNA triplets as entangled states of three quarks and ordinary DNA codons consisting of three
unentangled nucleotides? Could similar mechanism realize genetic code assigning to dark DNA dark variants
of RNA, tRNA and amino-acids via the analogs of transcription and translation processes? It seems
that frequency coding, which - somewhat disappointingly - did not look natural for remote replication of
ordinary DNA, is ideal for these processes so that the original idea of wave DNA would be realized at the
level of dark-visible and dark-dark interactions.
The
ux tubes would be associated with entire codons -DNA triplets - rather than individual nucleotides.
Dierent DNA triplets do not form interacting groups in the sense that they should be connected
by
ux tubes. Therefore the simplest possibility would be frequency coding with specifc resonance
frequency for each DNA triplet. No quarks at the ends of the
ux tubes connecting codons are needed.
Remark:: A hierarchy of
ux quanta is essential and must distinguish between its levels. Flux tubes
associated with nucleotides at
ux tubes associated with DNA codons at
ux sheets traversing DNA
strands.
If one assumes that octaves correspond to the same frequency this would require odd multiples
(n) = (2n + 1)0 ; n = 0; :::; 63
of 0 so that the longest wavelength would be 1270. In the number theoretic model of the genetic
code based on the notion of Combinatorial Hierarchy [?] codons are indeed labeled by 64 integers in the
range 0; :::; 127 = 27 1. These integers are however not assumed to be odd. One can also consider the
possibility that the frequencies are coded by the value of Planck constant and this option leads to an
interpretation of the earlier proposed realization of divisor code [?] to be discussed later on.
Support for this option comes from the phenomenon of phantom DNA demonstrating that resonant
scattering of light from DNA and dark DNA occurs for the same frequencies.
Can one imagine remote transcription of dark DNA to ordinary DNA using only nucleotides as building
bricks? This process would require coupling of DNA nucleotides to dark nucleons representing DNA
triplets and it is not easy to imagine any simple mechanism making this possible. Already existing DNA
triplets seem to be necessary.
3.3 Common explanation for the ndings of Montagnier and Gariaev
In the experiments of Montagnier's group the outcome is remote replication whereas the earlier experiments
Gariaev's group give evidence for phantom DNA and remote activation of DNA transcription
by scattered laser light able to represented genetic code. There must be interaction between the test
tubes in Montagnier's experiments and in the recent experiments of Gariaev's group observing remote
replication there is explicit interaction between the test tubes due to the scattered laser radiation. Hence
one expects a common underlying mechanism based on radiation between the tubes and phantom DNA.
1. The TGD based explanation of Montagnier's ndings relies on the assumption that the homeopathic
procedure generated a population of dark DNA nucleotides in the diluted system. The
sequence of dilutions and shakings was like a series of environmental catastrophes driving the evolution
of dark DNA and also feeding metabolic energy to the system. The outcome was dark DNA
population mimicking the original DNA in the test tube B. In the presence of DNA polymerase
in tube B and second test tube A containing ordinary DNA the dark DNA was somehow able to
generate ordinary DNA in tube B. The detailed mechanism for this remained open.
2. Could the scattered laser light have the same eect as the homeopathic procedure? This would
require a direct transcription of dark DNA to ordinary DNA in the presence of DNA polymerase
and nucleotides (only them). It is very dicult to understand how this could happen. DNA
polymerase very probably does not have the same catalyzing eect on dark DNA sequences as
on ordinary DNA sequences. It is also dicult to imagine the build-up of ordinary DNA from
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nucleotides using dark nucleon sequences as templates: if frequency coded codons would serve as
building bricks, situation would be simpler as already found.
3. One must not forget that the presence of the test tube A was essential in the experiment of Montagnier:
communications between the test tubes crucial for the outcome must have taken place. The
consistency between the two experiments could be achieved if the DNA in test tube A generated the
counterpart of the scattered laser signal in Gariaev's experiments but certainly as a much weaker
signal.
4. This signal should have been amplied somehow by the presence the dark DNA sequences in tube
B so that it would have been able to generate critical amounts of conjugate of the original DNA
amplifed by DNA polymerase to the copy of the original. What suggests itself is a positive feedback
loop ordinary DNA sequences ! dark DNA sequences ! ordinary DNA sequences..... causing the
amplifcation of the weak signal so that it is able to induce remote replication by the proposed
mechanism. This kind of feedback of signals propagating between magnetic bodies was assumed
also in the model for the strange images produced by the irradiation of DNA sample by ordinary
light interpreted as photographs of magnetic
ux tubes containing dark matter.
This model explains also the finndings of the recent experiment (unpublished) of Gariaev. In this case
the amplication by feedback mechanism could be present but might not be needed since the scattered
laser radiation could give strong enough signal to produce the needed amount of conjugate DNA serving
as a template. What is nice from TGD point of view that the consistency between the two experiments
gives support also for the notion of dark DNA and its identication as phantom DNA.
3.4 Summing up the basic assumptions of the mechanism
The basic assumptions of the model of remote replication deserve a short summary.
1. Bio-molecules would serve as receiving and sending quantum antennas forming populations with
communications between members just like higher organisms. The molecules participating the same
reaction would naturally have same antenna frequencies. Quarks and antiquarks at the ends of the

ux tubes would code for different nucleotides and the frequencies associated with the nucleotides
would be identical. The character of classical electromagnetic field would code for a particular
nucleotide.
2. Remote replication and other remote polymerization processes would dier from the ordinary one
only in that the phase transition reducing the value of Planck constant for the
ux tube would not
take place and bring the molecules near each other. Note that the fractal hierarchy of
ux quanta:
nucleotide
ux tubes, codon
ux tubes and
ux sheets associated with DNA strands is essential.
3. The immediate product of remote replication would be the conjugate of the original DNA sequence
and DNA polymerase would amplify it to the copy of the original DNA sequence. This prediction
could be tested by using very simple DNAs sequences- say sequences consisting two nucleotides
which are not conjugates. For instance, one could check what happens if conjugate nucleotides are
absent from the target (neither conjugate nor original DNA sequence should be produced). If the
target contains conjugate nucleotides but no originals, only conjugate DNA sequences would be
produced - one might hope in suciently large amounts to be detectable.
4. Frequency coding would be natural for quantum antenna interactions between ordinary DNA and
its dark variant and also between dark variants of DNA, RNA, tRNA, and amino-acids. The reason
is that dark nucleons represent the genetic code by entanglement and it is not possible to reduce
the codon to a sequence of letters.
4 Possible implications
The proposed realization of remote replication seems to have rather far reaching implications for the
understanding of the mechanism of homeopathy and basic mechanisms of immune system as well as to
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the understanding of how DNA -dark nucleon sequence association. One can also interpret the proposed
TGD based realization of the divisor code suggested by Khrennikov as frequency coding of DNA
triplets by the value of Planck constant assignable to
ux tubes emerging from DNA triplets.
4.1 Possible relevance for homeopathy and immune system
TGD inspired vision about water memory assumes that the magnetic bodies of molecules dis-solved
into water represent the molecules in terms of cyclotron frequencies characterizing its magnetic body.
Molecules can lose their magnetic bodies as the hydrogen bonds connecting the molecule to the magnetic
body are split. The population of these lost magnetic bodies would dene a representation for the dissolved
substance able to mimic it.
The hitherto unanswered questions concern the detailed structure of the magnetic body of the molecule
and how it codes for the molecule. The hydrogen bonds connecting the molecule to the ordered water
forming a kind of ice covering the molecule in the inactive state should be crucial aspect of the coding. If
dark nucleon sequences are associated with the hydrogen bonds of this ice layer or generated in their
splitting as I have proposed, one can ask whether dark nucleon sequences could characterize the molecular
magnetic body. If so, cyclotron resonance frequencies or more general frequencies associated with the
dark DNA sequences could code for the molecule. DNA sequences would dene a universal language
allowing for the system to name for polar molecules.
Quantum antenna mechanism would in turn associate ordinary DNA sequences with the dark nucleon
sequences coding for the molecule. Hence one can imagine a development of a mechanism allowing the
organism to modify its DNA by adding to it genes coding for proteins characterized by the same resonance
frequencies as the magnetic bodies of the invader molecules. These proteins would couple strongly to the
invader molecules via quantum antenna mechanism and the phase transition reducing Planck constant
would allow them to catch the invader molecules by attaching to them. The fact that the DNA of immune
system evolves very rapidly conforms with this vision.
4.2 Frequency coding for DNA sequences by the value of Planck constant as
a realization of divisor code
The realization of dark magnetic bodies of polar molecules in terms of dark nucleon sequences allows
to understand the association of dark DNA with ordinary DNA, RNA, and tRNA making among other
things possible the transcription of dark DNA to DNA and vice versa. Dark nucleon sequences would
be associated with the magnetic bodies of DNA, mRNA, and tRNA. This would apply also to aminoacid
sequences. Dark DNA would separate from ordinary DNA as it loses its magnetic body in the
splitting of hydrogen bonds and suers denaturation. Similar mechanism would cause denaturation of
other biomolecules and would mean that they lose their names and thus information content and
become mere organic molecules instead of living bio-molecules. This kind of association would make the
emergence of the genetic code and its generalization to the naming of molecules by DNA sequences trivial.
Genetic code can be understood from the proposed natural correspondence between dark nucleon
sequences and DNA, RNA, tRNA, and acmino-acids). I have however developed also another realizaton
based on TGD based realization of so called divisor code rst suggested by Khrennikov and Nilsson [?]
and the following argument allows to interpret in terms of frequency for xed value of photon energy with
frequencies coded by the value of Planck constant.
1. The observation of Khrennikov and Nilsson is following. Consider the integers n in the range 1,...,21
and obviously labeling amino-acids and let k(n) the number of divisors of n. Dene B(k) as the
number of integers n for which the number of divisors is k. It turns out that the numbers B(k)
are rather near to the numbers A(k) of amino-acids coded by k codons. This suggests that given
amino-acid A is coded by a product of prime p(A), which alone characterizes it, and integer n(A)
in the range 1; :::; 21. The product of integers characterizing the codon coding for A would be
characterized by the product of p(A) and some factor r(A) of n(A). With these assumptions given
codon would code for only single amino-acid and the number of DNAs coding for amino-acid A
is the number of the factors r(A) of n(A). The codons coding for A would be coded by integers
p(A)r(A) such that r(A) divides n(A). The safest assumption would be that the primes p(A) satisfy
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p(A) 19 so that p(A) does not divide n(A) for any A. If p(A) is as small as possible the value
spectrum of p(A) is
f23; 29; 31; 37; 41; 43; 47; 53; 59; 61; 67; 71; 73; 79; 83; 89; 97; 101; 103; 107; 109g :
If one assumes that the two additional aminoacids coded in some cases by non-vertebrate genetic
code correspond to primes also the primes 113; 127 are included.
What is interesting is that Mersenne prime M7 = 27 1 = 127 appears in the model of genetic
code based on the notion of Combinatorial Hierarchy [?]. This model assumes that DNA codons
correspond to 64 integers in the range 1; :::; 127. This realization of the genetic code cannot however
be consistent with the divisor code realized in the proposed manner since it would require that the
integers n(A)p(A) belong to the range 1; ::; 127. The prime factors of these integers can however
belong to this range.
2. The TGD inspired proposal [?] was that the
ux tube assignable to amino-acid A corresponds to
~ = p(A) n(A)~0 whereas the DNA triplet (for quark-antiquark coding nucleotide rather than
triplet) coding for it is characterized by ~ = p(A) r(A)~0 such that r(A) divides n(A).
3. This proposal could be interpreted in terms of frequency coding by quantum antenna mechanism.
For a given photon energy E wave length would be coded by the value of ~ and one would have
n = n0, n = p(A)n(A) for amino-acids and n = p(A)r(A) for codons. The condition that
ux
tube lengths are same for dierent DNA triplets would be satised if the common length of the
ux
tubes is an integer multiple of 0 proportional to the product of all integers appearing as factors
in the integers coding for amino-acids. The common length of the
ux tubes would be therefore
proportional to the product
Q
A p(A)
Q
A rA.
References
Books related to TGD
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//tgd.wippiespace.com/public_html/genememe/genememe.html#dnatqc, 2006.
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то смотреть здесь
А если коротко, то в чем разница? Можно своими словами, ботаник

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У Нашего Корнеплода еще нет адекватных слов ... и к стати Вася Пи ... Чукчи... не против того, что земля имеет форму шара..., они просто смогли инициализировать выброс инсулина используя физиологические особенности человека, задействовав своеобразную дугу Павлова... и ни чего более... а сенсация это в том, что в водном растворе появляются 3-х мерное отображение некоторых молекул, тем самым дополняя Теорию Суперсимметрию новыми данными ...
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задействовав своеобразную дугу Павлова
Так дугу, или мембраны? - пора розовым барашкам уже определиться.
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Вася Пи .. Мы же чукчи, а не ботаники ...
Парасимпатическая часть (холинергические окончания блуждающего нерва) стимулирует выделение инсулина;
именно этим и воспользовались ... а зелено розовые волчки и барашки это явно проявилось на сухой химии, как аналога воздействия на мембраны (как опытной модели.. для прообраза алхимии и получения виртуальной молекулы золота ..)
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Лингвистико-Волновой геном. Следующий шаг. ППГ (№4) 06 Дек 2011 14:08 #927

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Чукча не из Сибири.. написал(а):
Парасимпатическая часть (холинергические окончания блуждающего нерва) стимулирует выделение инсулина
А почему чукчи утаили Бета-клетки также находятся под влиянием автономной нервной системы.
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Лингвистико-Волновой геном. Следующий шаг. ППГ (№4) 06 Дек 2011 14:15 #928

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Чукчи не чего не утаивали, они говорят, о том, что наряду с имеющимися системами включения которые действуют, они провели свой вариант включения используя особенности физиологии человека ...
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А не раскажут ли чукчи, как они включали автономную нервную систему - через ж***?
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Лингвистико-Волновой геном. Следующий шаг. ППГ (№4) 06 Дек 2011 14:33 #930

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Вася Пи... это не вероятно, но это факт ...
Автономную нервную систему разделяют на симпатическую, парасимпатическую и метасимпатическую части
смотрим далее ..
Автономная (вегетативная) нервная система подразделяется на центральный и периферический отделы.
смотрим далее ... Рефлекторная дуга ...
Первое звено рефлекторной дуги — это чувствительный нейрон, тело которого располагается в спинномозговых узлах и в чувствительных узлах черепных нервов. Периферический отросток такого нейрона, имеющий чувствительное окончание — рецептор, берет начало в органах и тканях. Центральный отросток в составе задних корешков спинномозговых нервов или чувствительных корешков черепных нервов направляется к соответствующим ядрам в спинной или головной мозг.
Вот этим то и воспользовались ...
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