Владимирович - шутки шутками а ряд статей в том числе та что в посте 419 начинают обращать на себя внимание. Что то серьезно взялись за эту самую удивительную на свете жидкость

Там только абстрактик. А где сама статья?

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Там только абстрактик. А где сама статья?Справа посмотрите - там доступ к пэдээфнику

Справа посмотрите - там доступ к пэдээфнику

А, нашел, спасибо.
Так это компьютерная симуляция вроде. Нет?

Так это компьютерная симуляция вроде. Нет?

Вот еще одна статья где та первая упоминается

We have found three possibilities for such tubular structures
consisting of polygons, as shown in Fig. 4 for the case
of the pentagon. In the stacked-polygon structure Fig. 4b,
a polygon ring is formed through H bonds and then the polygon
rings are stacked along the tube direction, hereby forming
interpolygon H bonds. In the helix-polygon structure
Fig. 4c, one of the H bonds in a polygon is broken and
reformed with each water molecule of the adjacent two polygons,
and then a helix ice NT is formed. In the double-helixpolygon
structure Fig. 4d, two helices are combined to
form a double-helix structure of ice, as in DNA. As stated
above, in all these structures, each water molecule is fourfold
coordinated with neighboring water molecules.

Ну вот среда для возбуждения осцилляторов и прояснилась ....

DNA molecules can be manipulated in aqueous solution in a manner analogous to optical trapping. Due to the induction of an electric dipole, DNA molecules are pulled by a gradient force to regions of high electric field strength. Molecules can be locally trapped in an oscillating field using strips of very thin gold film to generate strong electric fields with steep gradients. Spatial control over the trapped molecules is achieved because they are confined to a width of 5m along the edges of the gold-film strips. By mixing static and oscillating electric fields, trapped molecules can be moved from one edge to another or made to follow precise trajectories along the edges. This phenomenon should be useful in microdevices for manipulation of small quantities or single molecules of DNA.

Light flashes delivered to one aggregate of cells evoked increased photon emission in another aggregate of cells maintained in the dark in another room if both aggregates shared the same temporospatial configuration of changing rate, circular magnetic fields. During the presentation of the same shared circumcerebral magnetic fields increases in photon emission occurred beside the heads of human volunteers if others in another room saw light flashes. Both cellular and human photon emissions during the light flashes did not occur when the shared magnetic fields were not present. The summed energy emissions from the dark location during light stimulation to others was about 10-11 W/m2 and calculated to be in the order of 10-20 J per cell which is coupled to membrane function. These results support accumulating data that under specific conditions changes in photon emissions may reflect intercellular and interbrain communications with potential quantum-like properties

Становится более понятно, почему фантомные активационные молекулы образованные с помощью метода Ппг и преобразованые для дальнейшего прослушивания в файлы инсулина или глюкозы дают такой отклик биосистемы

а ведь Люк практически подтвердил возможность создания подобных фантомных молекул.

Люк сумел сделать фантом некой молекулы. .которую смогли определить маркеры.

Critical investigation

A week after publication of the article, Nature sent a team of three investigators to Benveniste's lab to attempt to replicate his results under controlled conditions. The team consisted of Nature editor and physicist Sir John Maddox, American scientific fraud investigator and chemist Walter Stewart, and skeptic and former magician James Randi.

The team pored over the laboratory's records and oversaw seven attempts to replicate Benveniste's study. Three of the first four attempts turned out somewhat favorable to Benveniste; however the Nature team was not satisfied with the rigor of the methodology. Benveniste invited them to design a double blind procedure, which they did, and conducted three more attempts. Before fully revealing the results, the team asked if there were any complaints about the procedure, but none were brought up.[citation needed] These stricter attempts turned out negative for Benveniste. In response to Benveniste's refusal to withdraw his claims, the team published in the July 1988 edition of Nature[3] the following critiques of Benveniste's original study:

1. Benveniste's experiments were statistically ill-controlled, and the lab displayed unfamiliarity with the concept of sampling error. The method of taking control values was not reliable, and no substantial effort has been made to exclude systematic error, including observer bias
2. interpretation has been clouded by the exclusion of measurements in conflict with the claim. In particular, blood that failed to degranulate was recorded but not included in analyses prepared for publication. In addition, the experiment sometimes completely failed to work for periods of several months.
3. There was insufficient avoidance of contamination, and, to a large extent, the source of blood for the experiments is not controlled.
4. The study had not disclosed that the salaries of two of Dr Benveniste's coauthors of the published article are paid for under a contract between INSERM 200 and the French company Boiron et Cie.
5. The phenomenon described is not reproducible. We believe that experimental data have been uncritically assessed and their imperfections inadequately reported.

НЕТ, пока только журналюги говорят, якобы Люк сделал, но никак не фантом, а imprint

The anomalous microwave absorption resonances recently observed in aqueous solutions of DNA are explained in terms of a layered structure of water molecules around the polymer. At high frequencies the interactions with water become elastic instead of viscous

Там где нет воды там теория Монтанье не работает.

In a recent Nature leading article1 the possibility of the occurrence of resonance absorption at microwave frequencies in DNA was discussed in terms of the latest available theoretical2 and experimental evidence3, and its implications were assessed. Because of the far-reaching nature of these implications it is important that the existence or otherwise of such absorption be firmly established. Here we report on a concerted effort in two independent laboratories which has involved the measurement of the dielectric properties of aqueous solutions of circular DNA molecules in the frequency range 1–10 GHz. No resonance absorption or any form of enhanced absorption was demonstrated.

Recent studies by Edwards, Davis, Swicord, and Saffer have indicated resonant absorption of microwave radiation by DNA in solution. Previous theoretical calculations had indicated that such resonances should be overdamped. We present a more realistic model that provides a parametrization for the overcoming of the overdamping. The refinements include the electrically active nature of the solvent and the binding of the first hydration layer. Our results show that the hydration layer binding is the single most important aspect of the phenomenon. The parametrization indicates that the ability of bound layers to transmit shear must be greatly reduced. This is a behavior that can be qualitatively explained in terms of bond orientation by the structured water and reduced bond density for the DNA-water interface as opposed to corresponding surface in pure water. Conclusive results, however, await a discrete molecular modeling of the hydration layer binding

We have studied theoretically the movement of large molecular groups of DNA double helices in solution, which are driven by the electromagnetic field. The longitudinal vibration of nucleotides and the torsional movement of bases are taken into account at the same time. A set of coupled nonlinear partial differential equations has been established, and we have solved these equations by the method of perturbation. The result shows that there exists resonant absorption of microwave energy for both longitudinal and torsional modes. The resonant frequencies for the former and the latter are in the region of gigahertz and subterahertz, respectively. In addition to an nth-harmonic resonance at n, our theory also predicts a subharmonic resonance at n/2. The strength of the latter is proportional to l-3, where l is the length of DNA. The necessary conditions to observe these resonances are also discussed

Microwave irradiation (f = 36 GHz) changes the properties of distilled water within the first 1–10 min. The new state is retained for at least tens of minutes and manifests itself as changes in power density spectrum of periodic fading voltage fluctuations that are generated during discharge of a capacitor in which water is used as a dielectric. It is assumed that long-term changes in water properties mediate the effect of electromagnetic fields on biological systems.

Earlier we have shown that millimetre microwaves (42.25 GHz) of non-thermal power, upon direct admittance into an experiment bath, greatly influence activation characteristics of single Ca2+-dependent K+ channels (in particular, the channel open state probability, Po). Here we present new data showing that similar changes in Po arise due to the substitution of a control bath solution for a preliminary microwave irradiated one of the same composition (100 mmol/1 KCl with Ca2+ added), with irradiation time being 20–30 min. Therefore, due to the exposure to the field the solution acquires some new properties that are important for the channel activity. The irradiation terminated, the solution retains a new state for at least 10–20 min (solution memory). The data suggest that the effects of the field on the channels are mediated, at least partially, by changes in the solution properties

PauLita написал(а):НЕТ, пока только журналюги говорят, якобы Люк сделал, но никак не фантом, а imprint

Народ если вы читали оригинальные статьи авторов на которых Монтанье ссылается в статье размещенной в архиве препринтов Корнельского университета то должны знать что в отличие от теории Петровича Люк постулирует запечалевание информации о ДНК исключительно посредством воды. Там где нет воды там теория Монтанье не работает. А у Петровича информация передается без участия воды. У Петровича и Монтанье принципиально различные теории.

...... эксперименты... У ППГ - невоспроизводимые, у Монтанье - условно воспроизводимые...

В классической постановке механизмы, преобразующие внешние сигналы во внутриклеточные. Они находятся в плазматической мембране клетки. Восприятие клетками внешних сигналов в основном происходит благодаря взаимодействию внешних факторов с клеточными рецепторами, расположенными на наружной мембране клеток. Рецепторы распознают и связывают внешний сигнал (сигнальный агент — лиганд) и приводят в действие внутриклеточные пути передачи информации, ведущие к запуску и регуляции различных внутриклеточных процессов. Наибольший интерес, представляют белки имеющие вид 7 спиралей. При детальном разборе нас интересует аналоги активации для эффекторной молекулы, находящейся в мембране и отвечающей за генерацию вторичных посредников с помощью ЭМ воздействия через приемник антенну 7 витков

У ППГ - невоспроизводимые, у Монтанье - условно воспроизводимые... И у того и у второго передача информации передаётся без участия воды, но отклик (событие) регистрируется в водных средах

Две смежные, но физически разделенные пробирки были помещены внутрь медной катушки и подвергнуты очень слабому низкочастотному (7 Герц) электромагнитному полю. В одной пробирке находился раствор с фрагментом ДНК длиной около ста оснований, а в другой пробирке находилась чистая вода. Спустя 16–18 часов оба образца были задействованы в полимеразной цепной реакции (ПЦР – экспериментальный метод молекулярной биологии, который позволяет добиться значительного увеличения малых концентраций определенных фрагментов ДНК в пробе). Монтанье и коллегам удалось восстановить генетический фрагмент не только из первой пробирки, но и из второй, где, по идее, была только одна вода. Таким образом, полагают авторы статьи, ДНК испускает электромагнитные волны, которые делают «отпечаток», способный стать шаблоном для производства ДНК

все биологические среды состоят по большей частью из воды)

Может быть это дело можно и в спирте (метиловом) или кислоте (соляной) зафиксировать ?

нет теорий, а есть эксперименты...